It’s a dog eat dog world……
because they use EUTHANIZED dogs and cats to make KIBBLE!!!!!
AAFCO Admits Rendered Pets in Pet Food
With all the illness and drugs to boot!!!
And you wonder why your dogs are sick!!!!! And why the vets push crap kibble on you???? They make money off sick dogs!!!
Frog Dog Blog writes about the use of euthanized dogs and cats being used in dog food.
Here is another link to THE TRUTH ABOUT PET FOODS to read more about this.
Scary! Thankful I feed raw ;-). It is gross but when I was volunteering at the shelter none of the dogs would touch the Old Roy dog food that was donated to the shelter(it made it very easy for the dogs to pass the food guarding challenge), we always uncomfortably kidded that it was made of Old Roy….maybe it was not just a joke?
What an utter abomination! I so wish people would wake up about what they feed their pets and what they should be feeding them.
sorry guys, but there really are some food companies that do make good kibble, you can’t lump them all into the same category…..just because I don’t feed raw doesn’t make me a bad dog owner…I love my dogs just like you do, give us kibble feeders some credit for looking into what manufactures we buy our kibble from.
I think vaccines play such a huge part in disease in our animals (and humans). It’s all scary and we have to be very hyper-viligent on our decisions every day!!! It’s certainly part of the bigger picture. Generational health is starting to show up, or lack of it.
Jolene-
Good is relative. Are there some “better” kibbles on the market??…. Yes.
I don’t look funny at people who feed kibble nor do I look down on them. I just want people to do their homework. Question EVERYTHING!!!! Don’t just do something because the vet said so or your breeder said so….. Find info. Read up. Make an informed decision that you are comfortable with. That is all I ask of my puppy people.
I just get soooooooooooooooooo frustrated with well meaning people that are not informed and don’t take the time to find answers. They just take the easy route and do what they are told. I run into this EVERY single day. For example……
10 week old BC puppy in my class and he told me she has had her 3rd shot!!!!! WTF!!!!!
A 6 way with Bordatella to boot!!!!!
and….
10 year old mix breed client dog… started itching…. So the vet told him to put her on Science Diet ZD!!! at 48.00 a small bag!!!! If they read the label they would see it’s shit food!!!
Once someone makes an informed intelligent decision no matter what it is I respect it.
I hope this all makes sense.
Diana and I for as much as we are on the same page on most things regarding our dogs there are a couple of things we do differently….. We both respect each other and it’s all good.
There is plenty of information out there to decide what is better to feed a dog. Just as there is plenty of info on what is better for us to eat.
Pollo Loco is probably “better” than McDonalds…. but bottom line is that it is still fast food.
Innova is better than Ol Roy…. but it is still processed. It is not real food.
I think diet is one part of the puzzle…. It is the same be it man or beast.
Diet
health
toxins
stress
exercise
blah blah blah
I don’t think you were picking on kibble feeders either, but I do think with the convenience of the internet, nearly anything can be researched heavily. When I do research something I don’t just take one person’s or website’s word for it. I spend time getting as much of the whole story as I can. But, even before the internet, feeding a bagged or processed dog food never set right with me. And that was in the early 80’s. I do believe there are “quality” kibbles, over Ol’ Roy type foods. And, also there are plenty of animals that live long healthy lives. But, there is an over-all decline in health of our animals that we need to figure out. And, like my last comment, it’s generational. Time will tell. We take for granted that it’s ok or normal for a dog to have runny eyes, allergies, yucky teeth and breath, arthritis, bowel problems, temperament issues, etc, etc. Cancers seem to be a given for animals among a whole host of other life threatening diseases. It starts with us to clean up our act. Additives in processed food can not be good for any of us, nor cooking for a carnivore, IMO. And there are levels of raw too that are much more ideal. But, we all do what we think is best. I think unless you have your dog tied to a tree with no shade, you love your dog and do what you think is best. But, when there is un-health, something needs to be looked at. And, that is our responsibility.
Jolene-
Sorry you are so upset. I don’t care what people feed their dogs. And it’s great that you have done your homework. Looked up ACANA as you mentioned that you don’t feed meal or anything with preservatives. It’s always great to find products that are better for people to feed that are feeding kibble. So here is the ingredient list for ACANA wild prairie dog food.
While it is a “better” kibble it still contains meal and preservatives.
Ingredients: Chicken meal, russet potato, fresh free-range chicken, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary), fresh walleye, pumpkin, fresh whole eggs, sun-cured alfalfa leaf, fresh northern Lake Whitefish, chicken cartilage (a natural source of glucosamine and chondroitin), red delicious apples, carrots, turnip greens, organic kelp, organic bladderwrack, organic dulse, juniper berries, cranberries, Saskatoon berries, angelica root, chicory root, red clover, red raspberry leaf, dandelion root, peppermint leaf, marigold flowers, chamomile flowers, rosemary extract, Enterococcus faecium. Supplements: Vitamin A (18.000 IE/kg), vitamin D3 (2.000 IE/kg), vitamin E (400 IE/kg), vitamin K (2 mg/kg), vitamin C (85 mg/kg), vitamin B1 (75 mg/kg), vitamin B2 (44 mg/kg), vitamin B3 (250 mg/kg), vitamin B5 (40 mg/kg), vitamin B6 (32 mg/kg), vitamin B12 (400 mcg/kg), biotin (0,6 mg/kg), folic acid (3,5 mg/kg), choline (3.350 mg/kg), iron (300 mg/kg), zinc (270 mg/kg), copper (20 mg/kg), manganese (38 mg/kg), iodine (2,3 mg/kg), selenium (0,4 mg/kg), glucosamine (800 mg/kg), chondroitin (500 mg/kg).
Like a really tall tree with no leaves and hardly any branches……
hi Julie
we both agree on the fact that I think people need to do their own reasearch & not take anyone opinion as gospel. I even asked my vet is she actually read the ingredient label on their gastro food when she suggested I put Kort on it! She was slightly annoyed at me hee hee!
I also agree with Diana about vaccines, I do not vaccinate after the puppy shots but I do feel it is necessary to do the basic puppy series, but that’s just me.
Also general exercise plays a part in the health of a dog so I do realize it is just not all about the food….we all just want to do the best by our pets.
As far as “meal”..I was under the impression that if a food contained chicken meal, turkey meal etc, it was of the highest quality, even better then just chicken or turkey,…it is bone meal that we have to worry about or meat meal…..if not I stand corrected…..what is the preservative in this particular Acana food?
I feed the chicken adult Acana & it seems to be doing fairly well with the boys…I am always trying to improve upon their diets though as I want them to have variety. They get cottage cheese & yogurt, stuff like that, I have bought them raw soup bones before but it did not sit well with their stomachs so I didn’t try it again…
Anyway I really do enjoy reading your posts , I love to learn…this was just a bee I had in my bonnet & it finally came out :), no hard feelings I hope!
Jolene-
No hard feelings…. I don’t take things personally 🙂
You are right on the chicken meal.
As far as the soup bones not sitting well for your dogs…..
I think it was too much meat/fat etc and not enough bone. So the imbalance caused runny stool I am guessing.
Try this next time. The next time you know you are going to bathe them. Stick them each in a crate with a towel you can wash and give them each a turkey neck. The ratio is better and they will benefit from the crunching. It’s GREAT for their teeth.
I suggest before a bath because it grosses you out.
I do find it odd that since you do your homework you still took this as it was directed to you. It was not. Not every food or training method works for every dog. It is up to the owner to sort all that out…. and it sounds like you do that. What more can the dogs ask for????
You have to remember that I deal with pet people ALL day long. Just got some boarding dogs in that came with a huge bag of kibble and bits…..UGH……
LOL!
I’m not sure why I took this particular post so personally….my bad :))
I will try the turkey necks ! yucky, but I’ll try !!
So you didn’t tell me what the preservative was in the grasslands food, just curious as I thought it was preservative free.
kibbles & bits !!!! double UGH!!!
I find the bones in turkey necks don’t always digest, even with the years of my dogs eating bones. They will puke bits up sometimes. I’d give a good knuckle bone (also like the idea with a towel before a bath), but don’t let them chew on it for hours. I’d give maybe an hour max, then put the bone in the freezer and bring it out in a few days, or a week. My impression is the dogs aren’t used to the whole situation of raw. Or, cut off the fat? I like bones with a lot of cartilage. No leg baring bones.
I have not found that with Turkey necks. But good to know. Then maybe duck necks would work better. I do like knuckle bones and agree that weight bearing bones are too hard for what we like.
Well I might as well weigh in about the turkey necks etc.from my own limited experience!!First of all I would say that beef is not a good starter for a dog that has not been eating raw. I find even now that if I fed an all beef meal to Duffy he would have the squirts. I wonder if grass fed beef would be different from grain fed/finished, but haven’t tried it yet. Mixing kibble and raw meat on the same day is not recommended either–they digest at very different rates (the kibble much more slowly) and that can upset the dog’s system. Before Duffy was 1 year old, he would eat the turket necks happily. After he turned 1, he ddidn’t want/need so much bone, so he will eat a turkey neck occassionally, but not on a daily basis. He will eat all the neck–bones included, but with a turkey drumstick he will spit out some of the shards and leave them. He loves pork necks, pork ribs and will eat almost all the bone–same with elk, venison, and moose. He eats all lamb bone and meat pieces. He cleans himself off on the grass or snow–it’s so funny to watch–he gets down on his front haunches with his chest on the ground and rubs his neck and face around on the ground. There’s so little ever to clean off him and if there’s a little blood on the ends of the chest hairs, I just get a wet paper towel and wipe. I never give weight bearing bones from large ruminants. The challenge of stripping beef ribs, working around a pork neck, or chomping away on a nice meaty piece of pork roast is so good for a dog’s brain!! Duffy eats outside–I don’t even bother with a dish, just put the food down and he digs in!! No muss, no fuss!!
We are just nearly expert raw feeders!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!